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Victoria Uwonkunda, reporter and presenter for 蜜芽传媒 News, speaks to Bobi Wine, the Ugandan opposition politician, as he reflects on the personal and political challenges he has faced as well as his determination to run again as President in the next election.

Born in the slums of Kampala, Bobi Wine -birth name Robert Kyagulanyi - first entered the political arena in 2017 when he was elected to parliament with huge popular support, so much so that he became known as the ghetto president.

He went on to run against President Yoweri Museveni in the 2021 election - taking on a leader in power for nearly 40 years.

But the campaign was rocked by violence and for Bobi, countless times in jail.

Now Bobi Wine is preparing to run again in the 2026 presidential election.

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Presenter: Victoria Uwonkunda
Producers: Clare Williamson, Gabriel May
Editor: Sam Bonham

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